It’s been 50 years since Wayne Shorter started playing with Miles Davis’ now-classic Second Great Quintet — Shorter and Davis alongside Herbie Hancock, Ron Carter, and Tony Williams — yet he remembers his time with Miles like it was yesterday. “I used to talk to Miles all the time,” he tells Billboard.

“When Miles and I talked, he would ask me a question. ‘Wayne (in his voice), hey Wayne — do you ever get tired of playing music that sounds like music?’ Before I answered him, he said, ‘I know what you mean.’ Like, he’s answering his own question. He could go everywhere with that one — music that sounds like you’ve studied music. Are you going for something that’s really unexpected and in the world that’s unknown? It challenges people to be that way.”

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